OK, I’ve had about enough of this nonsense. The Horror! It has to stop. War has to stop. We have to get the hell out of Iraq, lock stock and barrel, period.

I’m dropping my support of Obama and will support neither Clinton nor Obama. Instead pressure has to be applied on both of them to promise to really get us out of Iraq.

Cennad has a post A Peace Movement… ‘So’ which contains a link to this great article by Naomi Klein and Jeremy Scahill, Anti-war campaigners have to change electoral tactics.

Klein and Scahill state that “Neither Clinton nor Obama has a real plan to end the occupation of Iraq, but they could be forced to change position”. Let’s hope this is possible.

Here’s the key paragraph from Klein and Scahill:

In sharp contrast to this downsized occupation is the unequivocal message coming from hundreds of soldiers who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq Veterans Against the War which, earlier this month, held the Winter Soldier hearings in Silver Spring, Maryland – modelled on the 1971 Winter Soldier investigation, in which veterans testified about US atrocities in Vietnam – are not supporting any candidate or party. Instead they are calling for immediate, unconditional withdrawal of all US soldiers and contractors. Coming from peace activists, the “out now” position has been dismissed as naive. It is harder to ignore coming from the hundreds who have served – and continue to serve – on the frontlines.

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  1. Danielle Vyas’s avatar

    I am with you, Marde.
    We do have options Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney. I strongly believe based on their own plans that none of the “accepted” candidates will withdraw from Iraq.

    If we do not push and push and push I am afraid that the illegal, immoral American War in Iraq will continue and spread to neighboring Iran.

    If you are considering Ralph Nader I am a moderator of our unofficial yahoo group where we share updated information about the campaign. If all progressives would really take a look at his platform coupled with his vast experience they would flock to him.

    Wishing you and yours all the best

    In light and love


  2. Annette’s avatar

    Hi Marde,
    Looks like a little “divide and conquer”!!! I am sick of throwing my vote away.

  3. barbara’s avatar

    Hello Mardé,
    You know that I’am no longer on US soil like yourself. But, a citizen I deplore what is going on over there.
    I have not sent my absentee ballot yet, but it’s better to take your time.
    Here is more food for thought .

    You take care my friend.

  4. Mardé’s avatar

    Thanks for your comments. Sorry it’s taken me so long to respond. It’s hard to know what to say. Danielle, I hear what you’re saying and sympathize. The only trouble is Nader hasn’t a chance in hell, and as Annette says, I’m sick of throwing my vote away. The best he could do is take more votes from the Dem than the Repug, which is in the wrong direction. I do think there is still a difference between McCain and Obama/Clinton. Of the three, Obama is perhaps the least objectionable, so, I’d have to take a chance on him, contrary to what I said in my post. Barbara, it’s good that you’re taking your time about voting. It’s a hard choice, even whether to vote at all. It’s depressing and scary.

  5. Aileni Noyle’s avatar

    Am I correct in believing Nader split the vote sufficiently last time to lose Gore the Presidency ? It is one hell of a dilemma. I don’t really understand why a man who rejected the war would not come right out and say he would withdraw all the troops. If it is a belief that it would spark a civil war in its wake – what is happening now ? The inhabitants of a made-up country like Iraq are going to settle the matter bloodily whatever the US does. More a question of slow burn or explosion.
    Incidentally, I wasted my vote all my life until I came to Ireland and proportional representation.
    Cheers, Aileni.

  6. Mardé’s avatar

    Yes, I believe you are correct in believing Nader cost Gore the Presidency. See my post Nader Explained and the link to the article by Bob Herbert. This article gives a fair opinion of Ralph Nader, I think, and concludes that it’s hard to prove Gore would still have lost if Nader had not run. And Gore would have been infinitely preferable to George W. Bush.

    Yes, I agree that it’s not altogether clear that Iraq would be worse off if we left precipitously. Of course nothing will happen until Bush is out of there. The objective should be to minimize deaths but if it’s not possible to insure that if we worked with other nations we could still not minimize deaths then we might as well just get out, and I mean “lock, stock, and barrel”.

    Yes, that’s great about the proportional representation in Ireland. I wonder how long it will take this country to institutionalize it on a national basis? Well, the answer is probably “a heck of a long time”.

  7. Steve Hayes’s avatar

    Well you have the choice of the least of three evils.

    In 2004 you had to choose the evil of two lessers.

  8. Mardé’s avatar

    Good palindrome, Steve! Too bad the evil of two lessers got chosen in 2004. Would Kerry have been just as evil? I can’t bring myself to believe that.


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